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Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203034

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Had a great experience with Lightworks editing a friend and colleague's first feature-length horror film. We only had one "technical day" where we lost time, and we remarked that was pretty exceptional for a three-month edit. Was really pleased to get to picture lock with her and just need to do the conform to Resolve for colour this week (fingers crossed, lol). Thought I'd share the edit-line with you all for anyone who's interested in a long form project!
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Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203035

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PS. The copious synced audio tracks from the recorder's sources, it had some redundancy from the camera-feed for sync but I was too afraid to try taking it out wholesale. Would definitely try to set that up differently next time, lol.

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203038

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The next time someone asks whether Lightworks is OK for long form I'll point them here! Congratulations on your first - it's a great feeling, isn't it.

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203080

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Thank you! Oh yes, absolutely. It's my second feature edit (the first was in Premiere) but kind of feels like the first. Would definitely approach another feature in Lightworks... I did the assistant editing on-set on this project as well and the binning, make sync and everything was much more friendly for a narrative film than Premiere's options.

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203094

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congrats on that!

would you share your make sync process? my bins still keep getting messy when i work with externally recorded audio and sync it in lightworks and then have all the audio synced files and raw files floating around. do you keep them in separate bins? do you change names of the synced files , etc?

thanks!

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203245

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For sure! I'm not at my computer so will have to upload screenshots later, but the process that worked for me was to:

1. Import Audio + Proxies to Day bins (ie. Day 3, etc)
2. Rename Audio + Proxy files to scene-shot-take in the Day bin, add in continuity notes and other shooting information metadata at this stage
3. Sort bin by name: now all the corresponding Audio and Proxies with the same shot numbers are together
4. Select a range of shots at time and select Make -> Sync (by Timecode)*
5. Go the Sync filter, double check everything worked, then select your Syncs and right click and select "Add to Bin" and put the syncs in the appropriate Scene bin
6. If there are Proxies or clips without sound, I copy the clip name to the description, rename the shot, and then Add to Bin so I have a copy in the Scene bin and the Day bin.

That's what worked for me! Result is that the Day bins are functionally the synchronizing bins, and I can check where a shot is by Day or by Scene. Probably some refinements that could be made but yeah!

*We had jam sync boxes (asked for this in advance, lol) but if you're syncing by slating (or the sync boxes ran out of batteries) you have to manually sync by frame position here.

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203257

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That's a perfectly excellent and efficient workflow - and yes - organisation by shooting day using time of day code is the key.

If using multiple cameras they should be individually sorted into Day/Camera bins and typically would use the same sound as other cameras - so the renaming of sound files might be different.


Not as suggestions that you change what you are doing - just an insight into how others might work. Some professional assistant editors prefer to work with V and A Kemrolls even with fully timecoded material. They reason that with a Kemroll everything shot on the day is in front of them to check - so they are able to pick up events like opportunistic sound or picture grabbed by the operators but not scripted/documented in camera/sound sheets. Those assistants argue they have less calls to revise their work.

In LW Pro one also has access to a feature called 'Retrofit'. This involves making specialised Logging Database of a bin of clips - entering the metadata information into that database list - and then executing the Retrofit command to write the information into each LW Clip.
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Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203264

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Thanks RWAV! Absolutely, I'll keep the Kemrolls in mind for the next one. In Premiere when I'm editing a music video or corporate video I'm very used to using "pancake" timelines and can totally see how that would be super helpful for scrubbing back through the material. Definitely had some confusing moments in this last edit looking back for opportunistic sound or picture after we were already well advanced.

Also: Retrofit, whoa! Thanks for the tip! That's honestly one of my major-small annoyances in the assistant/metadata interface is that I can't paste the same information to multiple clips by column (ie. scene number, etc). I suppose this would be a work around. I can't find Retrofit in the 14.5 userguide but I assume I'd find it after setting up a logging database? Thanks again.
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Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203265

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The LW Search and replace function, accessed from the BinCommands menu' does what you require - in the attached I used the standard '*' to denote the search terms for the selected parameter 'Who' and asked it be replaced into the selected clips in a single operation.

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Play withe search/Replace and customise your ListView columns to suit - pretty easy/logical to determine which fields are editable and selecting multiple clips performs the replace in all selected.

As for Retrofit - it's not documented in current manuals - see here for an explanation I posted some time ago. Let me know is any of that is confusing/inaccurate in the version you're using.

www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=23&id=106344&Itemid=81#106350
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Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203326

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@ sepiastudios great infos, thanks a lot! I should make a poster out of your comment and put it up in my studio to keep my edit structure clean

I am usually struggling with mixing up originals with syncs in my bins and then it gets all messy. i just need to make more bins and group of bins...

Also for the kemroll: this intuitively sounds like a very efficient way to work, it s too bad i often have very mixed up footage from one day of shooting with cams and sound partly with timecode, sometimes without, one extra cam with no sync, some mobilephoneshots ... etc... but would love to one day sync it all up in kemrolls. ..

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203327

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does this mean when i put the kemroll sync to "any audio TC" I could record a timecode track on the audio track of a dslr video file and sync it up? or am i mistaken here?

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203328

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kalimerox wrote:
when i put the kemroll sync to "any audio TC" I could record a timecode track on the audio track of a dslr video file and sync it up? or am i mistaken here

I think, you currently need SMPTE T/C metadata in the audio files for syncing sound based on timecode. However, give it a shot, who knows, it might be an undocumented feature.
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Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203329

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I will try next time I have some tentacles sync rented..

Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203331

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Are you aware that with V14.6 has a new feature which is supposed to sync sound to sound, i.e sound recorded simultaneously, on the same scene, with the video camera and an external audio recorder?

Edit: I just detected, it's on the multicam bin only, but maybe useful for you, nevertheless?

www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=457&id=199077&Itemid=81#199077
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Re: Feature-length timeline showcase 3 months, 3 weeks ago #203333

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oh thanks for that info, no, i was not aware of that. on the multicam bin it is nice, though I think the much bigger thing would be having it to sync audio to video , as it would make programs and plugins like plural obsolete, which 90% of the productions for web are using to sync their dslr┬┤s to the external audio recording. as an option in sync --> synchronize by waveform

I know a lot of people who do not use lightworks because of that missing feature..

is it late to post a feature request for that? either in "beta" or in "feature request"?
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