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Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176334

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I am just learning the program and when I try to insert a transition I get a message saying the clips are not long enough to insert. There are 8 minutes on each side of where I want to do transition.

Is this one of the limitations of using the free download to learn program before purchasing?

Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176336

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Are you inserting your clips full length untrimmed? If so, you need to trim each clip at the cut point by enough time to cover the transition. If you do a 3 second dissolve, you would nee to trim 3 seconds off the tail of the outgoing clip and the head of the incoming clip so that footage can be used to cover the transition overlap.
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Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176337

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Yes clips are trimmed and have all clips edited start to finish just was going back in to put in transitions. No matter which transition I tried the same message came up

Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176347

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Normally you get this message if there is not enough clip length trimmed out at the cut to cover the overlap time for the effect. Only excess clip footage outside of the visible footage at the cut is used for transitions.
How did you assemble your edit?
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Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176352

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A transition requires an overlap, however, part of this is media that you haven't used in the timeline. This sticky goes into the details and solutions:

www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=7&id=143120&Itemid=81

Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176354

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not in every wrkflw
old feat. req.

NOT ENOUGH MATERIAL
"TRANSITION CHECK [options]"
- OFF (as pre v14)
- WARNING, DON'T SET TRANSITION
- TRUNCATE IF POSSIBLE, ASK (now)
+ SHOW FRAME COUNT [FC left, FC right] for nudging
- ASK: TRUNCATE OR CANCLE
- DON'T ASK: TRUNCATE
- DON'T ASK: ALWAYS USE BLACKS (on demand, can get a hard cut ,-) dark matters
- DON'T ASK: ALWAYS USE LAST FRAME(S) AS FREEZE FRAME (to blend)
- ASK: FREEZE FRAME or BLACKS
- ASK: ALL***
- etc.

*** a nice little popup to choose from - with good icons+txt + FC ...

Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176358

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David Rasberry wrote:
If you do a 3 second dissolve, you would nee to trim 3 seconds off the tail of the outgoing clip and the head of the incoming clip so that footage can be used to cover the transition overlap.

Shouldn't that be one and a half seconds off each? Three seconds off each will give you a six second overlap. But always taking away more than you need will give you the wiggle room that you often find that you need when you play your masterpiece back.

Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176359

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I just inserted some video clips and assembled them on the timeline one after the other. Just getting some footage in to start learning the editing process. Watching the 1st video and following the commands in tutorial.

Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 6 days ago #176360

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OK much different than when I edit in Adobe Premier. I'll go through more tutorials you have on the site.

Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 5 days ago #176366

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Yes, it's different.

May I point you to two video tutorials which are included in the thread briandrys linked to above.

www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=7&id=143120&Itemid=81#159458

In my view, they explain the idea behind transitions in general and how to work around the message "insufficient overlapping media" in a well understandable way.
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Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 5 days ago #176367

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I find this discussion interesting:

David Rasberry wrote:
If you do a 3 second dissolve, you would nee to trim 3 seconds off the tail of the outgoing clip and the head of the incoming clip so that footage can be used to cover the transition overlap.

jwrl wrote:
Three seconds off each will give you a six second overlap. But always taking away more than you need will give you the wiggle room that you often find that you need when you play your masterpiece back.

Who is right?

Well, I tend to say that David is right. For a transition of three seconds one needs three seconds on both sides, because both sides must overlap for three second.

This leads me to the conclusion, as so many times before, that Lightworks would be better software if THE Message would be replaced by precise information about the missing material and some kind of active assistance to apply the transition - good for newbies and good for the experienced.
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Re: Why will program not allow transition? 1 week, 5 days ago #176368

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jwrl wrote:
Three seconds off each will give you a six second overlap.

hugly wrote:
Who is right?

I am. If you take three seconds off one of the clips you immediately have a three second overlap. If you take a further three seconds off the other you have six.

Don't believe me? Try it.

But a basic understanding of primary school arithmetic should make it obvious. If you take away three twice, that's two times three. When I went to school two times three was six.
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