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New feature Documentary on the career of Jill Bilcock 1 year, 7 months ago #139261

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The Art of Film Editing

ABC Australia is broadcasting a feature documentary on legendary film editor Jill Billcock next Tuesday, March 14th and it will be available to view free on I-View after the broadcast date.

Along with Martin Scorsese's regular editor, Thelma Schoonmaker, Jill has long been a proponent of Lightworks so when you mention our favourite NLE and people ask: 'Light Who?", it might be a good idea to spread the message a bit further than this forum.
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Wanna see Lightworks in action with a Master Editor? Here's the doco on Jill Bilcock, one of the world's top five editors:

iview.abc.net.au/programs/jill-bilcock-the-art-of-film-editing/AC1529H001S00
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Re: New feature Documentary on the career of Jill Bilcock 1 year, 7 months ago #139643

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I already posted the link in Miscellaneous, Craig. Unfortunately it's only available in Australia.

For what it's worth, I introduced her to Lightworks about 25 or 26 years ago. We went to the same college at the same time and were in the same student reviews a while before that, too. There was a fair degree of nostalgia for me in that production.

She hasn't changed a lot since she was a cute little 16 year old in the art school at Swinburne.

I also saw the setup that she had for Romeo and Juliet, too. She had one Lightworks in her garage, another in her lounge, and in the dining area of her kitchen David Herschfelder had a synthesizer on which he was composing the score when I was there. It was absolute madness.
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I'll bet she was a hit with the boys! So cute! What a shame the programme is only available for an AU audience - maybe it will end up on Youtube. I had a mate, Robert Wallace, at Swinburn around that time but he left to become an actor!
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Most of the other names at Swinburne that they mentioned I knew too. There was a really talented bunch going through at the time, animators, designers, editors, directors, you name it. Brian Robinson was never adequately recognised for his services to the Australian film industry. Unfortunately if he was to be acknowledged now it would have to be posthumously.
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I trust you've seen this interview with Thelma Schoonmaker and highlighting Lightworks?

We need a lot more promotion of Lightworks, generally. Eg, the teacher responsible for teaching video editing at our High School just spent a small fortune of Public Money on a complete Premier (Mac) setup. When quizzed, he asked Light Who?
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No, I haven't seen that. I watched the one on Jill because it was about someone I knew.

Yes, that is quite a serious problem. Unfortunately, knowing the way that schools are funded for projects like these, it may not have made much difference even if the teacher had known. I was on an industry advisory panel for a tertiary college setting up a computer animation design centre and it was made quite clear to us from the outset that any money advanced had to be spent in full or it would affect the next year's allocation. When you couple that with the fact that the schools want high profile gear so that they can sell that fact to parents of potential students, the decision to go Adobe was reasonably inevitable.

It may not have been the smartest decision, but they will never get sacked buying Adobe. And we all know that Macs are more creative than Linux or Windows boxes.
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A transcript of a short section if the piece - a film school could run a semester length course based on the ideas expressed - and still not have it all covered.

Jill Bilcock: For me, editing is about having hundreds of options. You have to decide first of all what emotionally touches you; you also edit for structure and then you most of all edit for rhythm.

Cate Blanchett: ... almost impossible path of guiding an audience's perspective; where are they going to look, how are they going to look, how are they going to feel about that moment on so many subtle levels; and Jill is a master of that.

Jill Bilcock: ... sometimes just need to give a little bit more back-story, a little bit more detail to build character, to invest in that character.

Jill Bilcock: My nature is to strongly connect with emotion and to deliver an emotional outcome.
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Yes indeed and here are some Lightworks specific quotes from Thelma Schoonmaker:

SCHOONMAKER: "I always watch the dailies as soon as they come in on the Lightworks to make sure everything’s OK. Marty wants me to be an objective eye, so I hardly ever go to the set. Actually, I don’t have time to go to the set, even though I love to watch him and the actors work. But it’s not good for me to go because my eye will get prejudiced if I see how something is being shot. The crew will tell me they’ve laid 50 feet of track and the camera is going to boom up here and I don’t want to hear that. I want to see it in the dailies, and then if I think there’s anything I need to say to Marty about it, he wants me to do that. So I make very careful notes as I look at the dailies and then the most important time for me is when I look at dailies with Marty. Because he and I talk to each other constantly through the dailies. He tells me exactly what he feels about every shot… maybe he’s disappointed because he didn’t get what he needed, but in Take 7 he thinks he will have gotten it. And I tell him what I feel. And from that, I build very highly organized selects which indicate our preferences. So the first of my selects of a certain line reading would be the overall preferred and then the second preferred and so on, which takes some time, but is just invaluable because I never go back into the dailies. In LightWorks I can put our notes on the cards for each select – I can write extensive notes on the card for the tile, which is fantastic."

HULLFISH: (interviewer) "That’s definitely something that Avid can’t really do. You can do it in what’s called Script View in Avid, but not just tiles, or thumbnails, or Frames, as Avid calls them."

and,

“Lightworks inverts Avid’s numbering of video layers, but they both play “top-down” the same way, meaning that a clip on the topmost layer will obscure any layers underneath it, unless you have a “blending” effect that is dual-track dependent (we never did that). V1 is the most recent and/or final VFX element, V2 will be our Sikelia-made VFX (not a final), and V3 is the original daily (work picture). About the audio tracks – A1-A4 are dialog tracks (including VO and ADR), A5-A8 are music tracks and the remainder are sound effects. This rule, however, gets broken all the time, especially when Mr. Scorsese and Thelma specifically require mono sound effects, which occurs frequently in the editing process. When building tracks “realtime” (translation: as quickly as you can!), strict discipline becomes, well… something of a secondary priority. Lightworks has a very spiffy little metadata feature which I use all the time: you can tag any sound-only clip as DIA, MX, or SFX. When it comes time for turnover to the sound department, you can then have the software create a duplicate of that edit with ONLY those clips which are dialog, another duplicate edit which is just MX, and another duplicate edit which is just SFX.” Scott Brock, assistant editor
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RWAV wrote:
Jill Bilcock: For me, editing is about having hundreds of options. You have to decide first of all what emotionally touches you; you also edit for structure and then you most of all edit for rhythm.

That should be framed and put on the wall of every edit room.

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it’s not good for me to go (to set) because my eye will get prejudiced if I see how something is being shot. The crew will tell me they’ve laid 50 feet of track and the camera is going to boom up here

I once got dragged over the coals by a DOP because I used a take very much earlier than his approved version. He hadn't quite reached his spot on cue, but the performance was way better. The move was technically difficult, and that's why he had taken eleven takes to do it. It was good enough in take two or three (can't really recall which) but the actor was getting frustrated by take eleven, and it showed.

It has to be performance every time. You're telling a story, not giving a technical exhibition. The editor is the friend of the production, not the friend of the crew.
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...a film school could run a semester length course based on the ideas expressed - and still not have it all covered.


Do you think for a minute, that the ABC feature on Jill is playing to film making students in every senior High School Media class this week?
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jwrl wrote:
...And we all know that Macs are more creative than Linux or Windows boxes.


Now I know why I've never achieved much as a filmmaker!
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No, probably not, at a high school level most have not specialised and many may be concentrating their attentions on other areas of this complex art form.
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Craig Marshall wrote:
Do you think for a minute, that the ABC feature on Jill is playing to film making students in every senior High School Media class this week?

If they have any sense! And also at WACA, VCA, AFTRS, and, and, and, I hope.

It would also be worth running at NIDA. Actors and directors need to know this stuff too.
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No, probably not, at a high school level most have not specialised and many may be concentrating their attentions on other areas of this complex art form.

Unfortunately that may be all too true. It wasn't so long ago that a major tertiary film school was deliberately not teaching editing because it was a craft skill and therefore not creative.
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