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new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202790

please dont send me to the editshare videos on you tube they dont match the lightworks that i downloaded this week, so im lost on those. the pdf they have does but page 63-66 im lost on.

So why would i want to do an open ended replace from the source viewer
also why would i want to do a backwards replace from an out point in the source viewer
again why do a backwards replace from an out point in the sequence viewer.

i understand making clips etc all the bits upto page 63 and then it starts speaking a different language. so the three lines above say it all. i seem to have written over my notes WHY? i understand dragging them down to the a timeline to get a sequence and there the logic stops.

i understand serif photoplus x 7 which gave me the heads up in understanding any other photo packages particularly as i was supposed to use photoshop last year, but ive unfortunately got to learn video editing by sept. so the learning curve is steep and was going along nicely until page 66.

Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202792

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Welcome to the forum.

You can use insert, the quickest method and most accurate method is put the playhead where you wish to insert the clip and drag and drop it into the sequence viewer, it then inserts into the timeline. You can also select the clip and use "v" to insert at the playhead, which is the method keyboard users like.

You can use the scroll wheel or "a" or "s" to quickly locate the playhead on the cuts.

Alternately, you can drag into the timeline, but use shift to switch from replace to insert before placing it into the timeline.

The methods used in the Editshare videos do work, just ignore the layout because the principles are the same. If you require different approaches in the video have a look ar this thread, which has links to unofficial videos

www.lwks.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=26&id=179615&Itemid=81
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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202793

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Hello,

Many of the video tutorials on Youtube refer to earlier versions of Lightworks and some existing unofficial tutorials there are truly bad and misleading.

See if the official Quick Start Guide gives orientation to get you started:

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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202798

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Edit= briandrys did say about Layouts _

_this also could be the Layout _Fixed or Flexible(Classic)
since part of tutorials are Flexible -
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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202801

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tickleandsqueeze wrote:
So why would i want to do an open ended replace from the source viewer also why would i want to do a backwards replace from an out point in the source viewer again why do a backwards replace from an out point in the sequence viewer

Not everyone might want to do those things - but very many do - particularly as the edit progresses beyond assembly and early edit stages into fine cutting. The procedures in question are not compulsory but generally prove to be very valuable as a user become fluent with LW.
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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202803

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To answer one of your questions, open ended edits are useful for throwing together a first cut sequence very quickly. The technique is: park on your first clip at the point at which you want to start your edit and press the B key. That will create your sequence, starting at the point at which you parked your source. Find the point in your sequence at which you want to cut to another shot and park there. In the source clip park at the point at which you want to cut to it and press the B key again.

The Editshare tutorials do match your version of Lightworks because LW has two user interfaces. The current default is the fixed user interface, the original is the flexible one. You can switch between either from the project browser. The flexible user interface is amodal in that you don't have to select a particular mode to do anything - everything is there as and when you need it. It starts out with a largely empty screen with a simple toolbar down the left side. It's the interface that a lot of the older tutorials use. It's up to the user to lay out the workspace in a way that best suits their workflow.
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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202804

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The good thing about Lightworks is that once you've learned a very few fundamentals you can usually start editing. Since you have such a tight deadline if I were you I would concentrate on the fundamentals. That would be how to replace, how to insert, how to delete and how to trim edits in the timeline. How to control which track your source media is edited into would also be necessary. Start editing - you'll quickly find out the things that you need to know.

Lets assume that you've now edited a clip into the timeline using the open ended edit technique. Repeat the process as required until your first cut sequence is complete. When you reach the last shot, at the point at which you want to end your sequence press the I key to mark that point then jump to the end of your timeline and press the X key. That will delete all the left over media in your timeline.

As you can see it's about as fast and precise as it's possible to be. Just remember, that's just a first cut. Now you should take a break from it, have a coffee or your beverage of choice, then play through the sequence from beginning to end. You'll get a feel for what cuts work and what don't that way.

That's when the real work begins. Fine tuning the cut is the real art of editing.

PS: Don't be tempted to throw effects in willy nilly. They usually don't make a poor sequence better, they often make it worse. Flashy effects often add an element of confusion to your story telling, and story telling is what editing is all about.

Then there are the other kind of effects. If you're planning on using Hollywood-style effects of the Star Wars/Marvel films variety, be aware that those are mapped out long before a frame is shot and used large teams of people each of whom specialise in one area of the effects process. Don't expect to just drop in an effect and instantly have an ion blaster cannon or space/time portal. It requires effort - usually much more than the edit process does.
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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202806

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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202809

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After re-reading the initial post, I have the impression that the original poster has stopped watching video tutorials (sorry for posting one), and is trying to understand all functions described in the manual by reading the manual - which is, from my point of view, a clever approach.

I suspect the essential questions to be answered are those:

tickleandsqueeze wrote:
So why would i want to do an open ended replace from the source viewer
also why would i want to do a backwards replace from an out point in the source viewer
again why do a backwards replace from an out point in the sequence viewer.

i understand making clips etc all the bits upto page 63 and then it starts speaking a different language

An open ended replace from the source viewer (aka three-point replace, with marked section on the timeline) can be used for replacing an existing segment (as a marked section) in its full duration with different material from the source viewer, starting at playhead position. It operates from left to right. The frame visible on the source viewer will be the first frame in the replaced segment. If the source contains insufficient material, the target segment in the timeline is padded with black, right hand side.

The (open ended) backwards replace from an out point in the source viewer does basically the same thing (replacing an existing segment in the timeline in full lenght) from right to left. The frame you see in the source will not appear in the segment, it's the first excluded frame. The manual explains "If you know only the out-point for a replace.. you can use the backward replace" I would like to add: Regarding that people preview their sources most frequently in forward playback direction, from left to right, the backward replace is the more natural way to replace an existing segment in full duration with different material.

That was a very long explanation for in fact not so complicated functions and I hope it helps. The best way to get familiar with it, make a sequence with a few clips and practice the various methods.

Edit: I focused here on segments, the region between two cuts, but of course any marked section in the timeline can be replaced in both ways.
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Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202813

Hi, i was in the process of replying to everyone individually and realised it clogs the forum up, so thank you to briandrys, hugly, edwd7, rwav and jwrl. all of what you have mentioned is useful and im working my way through it now. its useful to realise not to get to caught up with it as replace / insert may do whatever it is that i need to in the future. im upto 120 on the pdf, so ive kept ploughing on. The impression i get from Rwave is that it might be useful once ive fully got the hang of it all.
Thank you jwrl as i didnt realise there were two interfaces for the system. Doh!
Jwrl over the 14 days ive been doing this ( a bit each day) ive actually seen a sequence come together. initially it was just throw unrelated clips into see what happens to each one as i worked through the pdf. Then it changed to three of four clips i had of certain things and ive found myself moving them around, placing them etc, so its getting there. ive always understood that to learn something new you have to repeat it for a minimum of 4-8 days and with this its worked a treat, but those pages, i assume because of the way they are termed, caused the dilema.
finaly hugly, the explanation youve provided to those three lines is brilliant, its like i needed it translated!
one final thing, going off on a bit of tangent here, am i right in thinking lightworks cant cope with 360vr footage, as ive earmarked VSDC to use once ive got the hang of this, for that footage, rather than get confused at the outset!

Re: new person and no idea, so why do i need to do the following............. 1 month, 1 week ago #202818

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Yes, a translation from a not native English speaking person can help, in some cases.

VR360 support in Lightworks is limited. You can edit already stitched planes and inject metadata necessary for 360-video display on Youtube after export with free software. There's no VR360 viewer, nor an effect which allows viewpoint selection and 3D zoom and pan.

By the way, I made a funny edit of stitched 360 material, provided by a member of this forum recently, with the Pro version. Prior to injecting metadata, it looks like this *:



As soon as you've found a free video editor which can cope with VR360 to your full satisfaction, please let us know.

Edit: * Which possibly is a form of art by itself.
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