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Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169080

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Hi there,

I have a clarification question to ask. I sucessfully created a multicam bin consiting of three sequences. (This is because the camcorders used created multiple files, which I joined into a sequence for each of the three cameras. I also applied some color adjustments right there.)

Now it turns out that one of the cameras is not synced properly, since the sequence does not start at the right point. If I change the sequence afterwards, should the multicam bin affected? It appears to me, that the multicam bin is not being affected by changes in its source sequences later on. Is this true or I'm a confusing stuff?

Thanks for your support.

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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169082

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Once you've created a multicam bin, the software does not attempt to resync its contents, it only maintains the relative offsets between the sources (eg. if one of the sources is moved ten frames forwards, the others are moved ten frames forwards, etc).

If you need to re-establish the sync point(s) :

- right-click the bin and enable 'Allow lock adjustments'
- nudge the source(s) as required until they are synced to your liking
- disable 'Allow lock adjustments'
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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169092

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Just to avoid misunderstandings:

I understand that you have 3 Sequences in a Multicam Bin, which you insert into a fourth Master Sequence that is not in the Multicam Bin?

SchwobaSeggl wrote:
... It appears to me, that the multicam bin is not being affected by changes in its source sequences later on...
Which source sequences do you mean?
Were the Sequences in the Multicam Bin created from other Sequences?

Or was your question, whether later changes to the Sequences within the Multicam Bin affect the Master Sequence?

If you think the tiles in the Bin from which the Milticam Bin was created:
These are identical Sequences, which are displayed in another bin with different position of the playhead, Mark In and possibly Mark Out.


SchwobaSeggl wrote:
(This is because the camcorders used created multiple files ...)
Is there a time gap between the material of the individual files of a camcorder?
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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169146

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schrauber wrote:
Or was your question, whether later changes to the Sequences within the Multicam Bin affect the Master Sequence?



Basically: yes.

When I move around things within the sequences contained in the Multicam Bin, should the master sequence (containging the Multicam Bin) be affected?

It doesn't seem so.

Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169147

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Great White wrote:
- right-click the bin and enable 'Allow lock adjustments'


Sorry I can't find this option. Maybe the terminology has changed? I use LWKS 14.1 on Linux.

Btw, I use "sync by current frame" since I only got material from consumer cameras which don't use proper time code. So far it works well with a little tweaking, I luckily got this percussion guy in the material which I can use as "slate".

Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169149

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OK found the "Allow lock adjustments" - sorry, must have been blind.

Btw, is there a way to have the multicam contents displayed larger as in the Thumbnails?

Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169158

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SchwobaSeggl wrote:
Btw, is there a way to have the multicam contents displayed larger as in the Thumbnails?

If you already have your tile size set to 'large', then unfortunately not. In flexible mode, you can create full-sized viewers from the tiles and use those.
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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169170

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Some screenshots:

Great White wrote:
If you already have your tile size set to 'large', then unfortunately not ...
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Great White wrote:
...In flexible mode, you can create full-sized viewers from the tiles and use those.

without full-sized Viewers:
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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169175

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SchwobaSeggl wrote:
schrauber wrote:
Or was your question, whether later changes to the Sequences within the Multicam Bin affect the Master Sequence?

Basically: yes.
When I move around things within the sequences contained in the Multicam Bin, should the master sequence (containging the Multicam Bin) be affected?
It doesn't seem so.


If you mean the position of the playhead?:
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For this to work (flexible layout):
  • Something must already have been inserted from the multicam bin into the master sequence.
  • Avoid dragging and dropping, because then instead of your sequences in the multicam bin, the original clips are inserted. (I'm not sure if that's a bug?)


If you want to check what has been added to your master sequence, then in the timeline settings, activate the name as segment text.
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If this is identical to the name of your sequences in the multicam bin, then it's ok.
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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169187

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SchwobaSeggl wrote:
When I move around things within the sequences contained in the Multicam Bin, should the master sequence (containging the Multicam Bin) be affected?

If you mean the segments in the timelines of the sequences in the multicam bin:

Yes, if you inserted the segments correctly into the master sequence as described above, then changes in the timelines of the source sequences will also change the master sequence, even if the master sequence has already been created.
This is only possible if the master sequence directly links the sequences from the multicam bin as source, not the original clips contained in them (see post before).

Examples see video:
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To update the master sequence:
Video tracks: e.g. click on the viewer of the master sequence
Audio: Usually a restart of the project is necessary

Note that this is not a normal workflow.
I still like to use this option to create different variations of a music clip.


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Note also (applies to LW 14.0, probably also for LW14.1, I'm unsure)?:
SchwobaSeggl wrote:
... I sucessfully created a multicam bin consiting of three sequences. (... I also applied some color adjustments right there.)
Prefer folded effects; avoid FX tracks.
Avoid multiple video tracks if possible.
Audio nodes are not updated automatically.
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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 3 months, 2 weeks ago #169198

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Here are the normal workflows:





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Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 1 month, 3 weeks ago #172968

Great White wrote:
Once you've created a multicam bin, the software does not attempt to resync its contents, it only maintains the relative offsets between the sources (eg. if one of the sources is moved ten frames forwards, the others are moved ten frames forwards, etc).

If you need to re-establish the sync point(s) :

- right-click the bin and enable 'Allow lock adjustments'
- nudge the source(s) as required until they are synced to your liking
- disable 'Allow lock adjustments'


I am trying to nudge (adjust the sync) one of my three multibin clips two frames independent of the others, and this is not working.

Re: Multicam Bin of Sequences 1 month, 3 weeks ago #173004

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With V14.0 and "Allow lock adjustments" form "Multicam Commands" enabled I can't reproduce what you tell. Would you mind creating and posting a screen recording to share what you see?
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