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TOPIC: film project handling, scene-edits inside the final edit

Re: film project handling, scene-edits inside the final edit 10 months, 3 weeks ago #26955

  • masqutti
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arniepix wrote:
Toxitobi wrote:
For every scene I would like to make an edit. And on the end all edits go into one big master edit.

The feature that I'm searching for is: When I change something in one of these smaller scene edits, it should also be automatically changed in the master edit.


That's a workflow that can quickly become very awkward and inefficient. You'll wind up with dozens of little scenes that then need to be managed separately, rather than a single movie. And how will you know how well they work together as a whole? Very often, scenes need to relate to each other and to flow into and out of each other, and if you keep them separate, it's hard to gauge how well they work together.

What I like to do is to assemble all the takes from a single scene so that I can sync sound, then I start cutting those shots into my master timeline. I may refer back to my scene assembly just to review footage, but all the work of cutting a scene takes place in my master.


Well these things are enlightening! It really seemed like a good idea to have these sub edits and stuff that many other NLE-video editors/composition software has. But I think I get it! As there are so many experinced editors claiming that it's best this way.. I don't have an argument against that.

Re: film project handling, scene-edits inside the final edit 10 months, 3 weeks ago #26986

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Nice discussion

I would like to try these different ways but I can't. So for me it stays as a missing feature, that all editors I used before were able to perform. It's strange when something so normal is called a bug.
In the end I will adapt because there is no choice, interesting that a program sets its boundaries to make the end result better.

The work flow of renaming edits is something I thought about myself. I do it by date and version when I try different things on a single day.

Thanks to all of you always feels good to learn something.

Re: film project handling, scene-edits inside the final edit 10 months, 3 weeks ago #26989

The date will be there automaticly so there is no need to fill this in.
But when yoo have somthing like 001 in the name then you it will sort automaticaly.
Be consequent with names and not to long because you will make type faults.

Erik
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I wonder what editers you used and do have this 'BUG'?
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Re: film project handling, scene-edits inside the final edit 10 months, 3 weeks ago #26990

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This "Bug" is present in:
Premiere
Edius neo
well aftereffects can also refer to a different composition but of course is not an editor.
With sony vegas I didn't try this. But I think it will work there too.
Never tried avid.

If I take a video into an edit and change that video afterwards what other will happen than that the change appears inside the edit. So for me it's randomly natural that a change to an edit that is also into another edit will change the outcome. This is maybe a programmers/technician sight of view but for me it's logical.

Re: film project handling, scene-edits inside the final edit 10 months, 3 weeks ago #26991

It is not logical for an editor. Because when you change someting in an edit you want change it in that edit and not automatacly in other edits where you have insert an earlyer version of that edit in. It will ruine all your olther versions.
An Edit is allways a playlist of your original material. That is nonlineair editing for me.

Erik
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Mem. 24.0 GB RAM, NVIDIA Quadro 4000,
WIN. 7 64, Lightwork Pro Licence, LW Keyboard, Console, Mackie. MATROX MXO2 LE.

Re: film project handling, scene-edits inside the final edit 10 months, 3 weeks ago #26997

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I would also like to point out that when you're trimming, you might be trimming 2 shots from different scenes where you go from one to another. Or running audio from 1 scene under the picture of another.

It's also been my experience that we would be playing the film down when we decided to go back to something that we'd been watching a few, or may be 20 minutes earlier. If your film is a bunch of little timelines, you can't play them down like that. Nor can you simply jump back (or forward) 2, 10, 15, 20, 45 minutes.

And as other people have pointed out, probably the most powerful feature of any NLE is that you can make a copy or duplicate of your timeline & make changes to it without effecting the original. Many people like to version this way. Some people like to make a new copy for each day, some like to make a new copy whenever they make a change, some like to make new copies only when they want to see the difference between them.
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