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TOPIC: Output codecs - VP9?

Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 3 weeks ago #60739

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With all the talk on RedShark about VP9 I thought it might be a good idea to suggest that these free (open source?) codecs get supported for an export option. Although the talk of VP9 is all about 4K resolutions, I have a feeling that HD resolutions work just fine too. Not sure what it would take to build this into a commercial product, but it might be worth leading the industry vs. following the latest trend.

Re: Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 3 weeks ago #60753

@Greg. You may or may not also be aware that Mozilla is working on a fully open source codec code named Daala. See its Wikipedia entry. It is early days yet for it but they are hoping it will be better than H.265 and VP9.
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Re: Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 3 weeks ago #60780

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The big talk is that VP9 is 4k ready yesterday (actually several months ago) so all the industry needs is to support it. If the industry is smart, and this codec actually looks good, they will ratify it over the expensive mpeg owned codecs. If Google is willing to offer it for free, might as well take advantage and be able to produce less expensive players and really less expensive recorders.

That said if h.265 (HEVC) looks better at similar or lower bit rates, then I guess it should be the standard and we'll have to move on to working out the price.

Re: Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 3 weeks ago #60782

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I am interested in the VP-9 codec. After your first post, I read commentary on the comparison of the two. VP-9 is definitely poised to take the lead in internet streaming. Whether or not developers see the value in that course is an issue. It appears that the industry is seeing value in support of both H265 and VP-9. I have not seen a speed optimized software encoder, yet. If that were to roll out with some good presets, I think you'd see quick adoption by recreational users. Right now, encoding is desperately slow in ffmpeg.
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Re: Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 2 weeks ago #60796

why should we choose between h265 and VP9. Lets be confident in the ligthworks team, and ask for the two of them.
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Re: Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 2 weeks ago #60806

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Hi, we are aware of both technologies and are investigating implementation.

Re: Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 2 weeks ago #60861

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I did a quick search for encoders, and ffmpeg is really just about it. Nothing with GPU acceleration, so if Google wants this to be widely accepted, they better provide a good reference encoder and something that takes advantage of the GPU. I hadn't realized before that were few encoders for these codecs.

Re: Output codecs - VP9? 7 months, 2 weeks ago #61193

Just found this talk last October about the xiph.org/Mozilla "work in progress" open source video codec Daala and audio codec Opus:

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Re: Output codecs - VP9? 6 months, 3 weeks ago #63792

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I suggest reading: Grois, D., Marpe, D, et. al. "Performance Comparison of H.265/MPEG-HEVC, VP9, and H.264/MPEG-AVC Encoders", 30th Picture Coding Symposium, San Jose CA, Dec 2013
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